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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2015 12:16:54 GMT -5
definitely more thought is going into this.. haven't quite fit Vera's (and Ingotan's) agenda into the main story yet, but I like how we've anchored down their roles a bit into the fantasy better.
An undead puppet thing could be crazy cool. like she doesnt fight she just controls it..hello Zappa. idk?? I'll think about it.
here's some thoughts about that:
I was thinking that maybe since Zott is a BIT more child friendly (definitely thinking of Avatar and Tin-Tin here, where adult themes are present, but presented in a child-friendly way...............and with alcohol and death WOOOOOOOOOO) that the "pain is my source of power" might be a TINY bit too dark (again, lots of darkness so far especially with Lord Zon's backstory) so I was maybe thinking of altering the pain power to be more about "entrapment"... which is something you can do with or without pain. Also, since Vera is specifically designed in my mind to be a character who chooses to lock herself away, and that source of her power could be why.
OR, we could just have both. Maybe "entrapment" is one magic that Vera has, and "pain" is something someone else has (maybe INGOTAN has that). idk! There's a lot of options here but I do want to keep in mind that we stay focused what kind of message we should be ready to send
lot of awesome ideas today.
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Post by barrett on Jul 2, 2015 14:58:33 GMT -5
so I was bad and got excited and talked to Marty through facebook. But just s it's here.
What if Vera's magic was actually Joy powered but because she's chaotic evil she gets joy out of locking herself up and hurting people and stuff. Dark side of joy is the idea.
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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2015 15:35:09 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe she had lightning powers herself but like an evil sith version... Or pleasure could be different from joy and maybe that's different magic. Idk
Also I feel like zephyr needs to have a better emotion linked with his magic. Maybe victory? Or triumph? It would make sense for his character but maybe not his magic so much. Something to think about..
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Post by barrett on Jul 2, 2015 16:49:14 GMT -5
Zephyr's power comes from a feeling of ecstasy, which he gets from thrills and victory. So part of why he's fearless is that his powers are tied to adrenalin highs so he knows danger only makes him stronger.
Also having her thing be pleasure not Joy is interesting cause pleasure is arguably more selfish. I think we're close but not there yet with her. Though let me just say, keeping Joy tied to lightmagic and having the psycho evil character use light magic is kinda interesting (there could be another character who also uses light magic)
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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2015 17:08:09 GMT -5
Your explanation of zephyr's powers are better aligned with wind... I like that
And yes id love to flip the script and make light evil, at least for this one character. Maybe it's the same source as lightning magic but is interpreted differently
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Post by barrett on Jul 2, 2015 18:54:10 GMT -5
yeah I like the idea of not really connecting elements to good or evil but jsut having them be what the characters make them. And yeah this is also your test post
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Post by herny on Jul 2, 2015 22:30:07 GMT -5
Berrert said something about fear magic. What about like, illusion magic that gets stronger the more scared the caster is. Could create realistic "hallucinations" to fuck with his/her enemies, and also to make him/herself more scared. So they'd construct something terrifying just to scare themselves so their illusions would be stronger. Could also curse/hex people, because curses and shit have their roots in superstition, which is a form of fear
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Post by Marty on Jul 2, 2015 23:48:56 GMT -5
I like where that's going. I'm considering using something like that for Mikau since my original plan was to give him "ghost" powers (invisibility, clones, the works). not sure if fear would make sense for him... unless he was trying to make OTHER people scared. idk here's another story idea I had.. this might be cliche but bear with me. hatred has two sides of the coin. typical dark magic, that everyone is familiar with (and fears). obviously, this magic is very potent at killing and is very scary n shit. however, the unexplored realm of this magic comes from love ? or somethin. and that can give life, healing, and in some cases, even resurrect the dead. So what if Lord Zon strikes a deal with Victor. He uses his tricks to manipulate Victor during their final confrontation, and he says something like "I can bring Mikau back if only we can harness my power" blah de blah. so Victor fakes Lord Zon's death and spends years with Lord Zon held in captivity trying to figure out how to do this (and going insane as a result, on top of other reasons). They bring back Mikau, but not how they expected: this soulless killing machine. Mikau's arc already is finding his humanity again, and learning to work for the side of good (joining Zott's team) so I think this would be a neat way to do that. on top of that, Grace now has access to powerful healing magic maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe. idk as usual still playin with this idea.
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Post by barrett on Jul 3, 2015 9:04:20 GMT -5
I like the idea of love being related to something. And Zon making promises to resurrect Mikau is good motivation for Victor. That being said it's only cliche until we add more details so I don think it needs more. Maybe Victor sees Mikau's death as his greatest failure. Maybe no one ever died while he was around before Mikau? I dunno I like where it's going though.
Oh maybe love is healing and brought to an extreme it can bring people back from an inch of death (but cannot resurrect truly) but hatred is destructive magic that can bring people back as shadows of their former selves.
As for fear if that is how Mikau works that could be a powerful twist. They find out that fear has been fueling him this whole time when they thought he was just some unstoppable badass he's actually just felt terrified and alone this whole time. That realization could be what allows them to talk him down and turn good. Like fear doesn't have to be cowering and lame it could be an amazing moment and I love the idea of Mikau having a conflict with something as human as fear.
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Post by Marty on Jul 3, 2015 9:57:58 GMT -5
Oh maybe love is healing and brought to an extreme it can bring people back from an inch of death (but cannot resurrect truly) but hatred is destructive magic that can bring people back as shadows of their former selves. Now that's cool. That would obv. explain Mikau too (obsidian skin, shadowy appearance, etc) one thing I'm thinking about tho is that Grace is kinda the "fearful" one of the group, so I worry a bit that adding Mikau to that boat will sort of... one-up Grace in a sense? I definitely like the explanation of fear's power so I dunno. then again, Mikau actually being fearful would make a buttload of sense (since after all the way he was written in the Legend of Silvaterra would suggest that he's not the kind of person at all that would succumb to dark magic n whatnot) and like you said could be a powerful twist that would motivate him to join Zott's side and confront Victor. I always imagined him as being "vengeful" but that was just sorta...generic since hes all evil and blah blah blah maybe Grace can start out the fearful one but her path to overcoming it will be very different than Victor's. Cuz in a way, all the characters are "fearful" of different things and there's nothing saying "THIS CHARACTER HAS TO BE THE HAPPY ONE, THIS ONE THE SAD ONE," etc edit: dude when i quote you and it gives me a mini version of your avatar its a perfect sprite size hahaha
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Post by barrett on Jul 3, 2015 10:18:16 GMT -5
Yeah, and I think Grace has way more going on than fearful cause of her duel nature. If anything I think she's less fearful and more dealing with the early trauma from her childhood. Like she probably has PTSD and could have developed borderline personality disorders considering the shit you said she's been through. Mikau I see as more like a deep fear/ self denial, like he has good old fashioned pain and loneliness that he can character arch past. Grace I really don't think can just "develop" out of her shit, she has to learn to live with it, that kind of trauma is not going anywhere and there isn't a positive fear spin on it I don't think, unlike Mikau who could transfer his fear to fear for his friends being hurt or something and weald it.
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Post by Marty on Jul 3, 2015 10:33:39 GMT -5
the way I always saw it was Grace was fearful of what she could become because of those exact reason: you don't just "grow" out of it or "stop being traumatized". but i think you're right.. grace's arc is more about finding things in her life that make her happy and learning to love herself (LOVE MAGIC YEA!) so I think that makes sense
here's another thing about Mikau i didn't tell you before: I already told you I see him being an out-cast (literally he is banished from his village) but later I envisioned him in victor's story as rallying a bunch of his kind and being sort of a leader to them during the war. I wonder how we can twist that into his character?
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Post by barrett on Jul 3, 2015 10:51:48 GMT -5
I like Grace with love magic more, because in the beginning she just straight up doesn't have acess to any magic cause she doesn't know how to feel love anymore (not to be melodramatic). So yeah i prefer that for Grace.
Your statement with Mikau has confused me a bit. You mean he's banished and then later rallies his forces against Victor, or do you mean the old war he rally's forces for victor. Just need clarification on that
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Post by Marty on Jul 3, 2015 11:16:18 GMT -5
oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh separating the two, interesting. I was originally talking about having hatred magic and love magic be like, both infused in the same person (with love magic being a lot harder to access because of how overpowering hatred magic is) like Lord Zon and Grace both have hatred and love magic, and when Lord Zon succumbs entirely to hatred Grace is able to fight through it
no I mean, he's banished from his village, and when Victor fights against Lord Zon, Mikau helps rally his village that was once against him to fight WITH Victor against Zon
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Post by barrett on Jul 3, 2015 11:21:56 GMT -5
oh right, well I the two sides of the same coin thing is dope. I think Grace's outbursts of brutality (brought on by hate magic) should not be explained (cause she doesn't know) as that until later in the story. Additionally the love side should be a further twist later. She can only use the love side once she learns to love her friends. Very anime and very awesome (Grace is in the running to be my fav character).
And okay. On a related note what Mikau is specifically scared of (while on the dark side) needs to be clearly defined. Either losing Victor (thus his staying on his side despite him being evil) or fear of people that the main group helps him over come to be replaced by a healthier fear.
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